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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Frank Zappa

I'm curious as to what folks here think about this cat? My first “real” rock concert attended was Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention at the Auditorium Theatre May 21st, 1971. Memorable highlights included Peaches en Regalia and Billy The Mountain. Folks in general were well behaved and remained in their seats for this evenings performance.

Frank Zappa - Peaches en Regalia - Hot Rats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKlAIhuXRLE


Recently happened upon some of his You Tube interviews and regardless of what you think of his music he is an intellectual and deep thinker and cuts somewhat across the grain for his time, if you catch the drift.

David Letterman Show June 16th, 1983

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjMO_ewZxIQ


And even though he is something of a hypocrite for badgering drug and alcohol consumption it was his personal addiction to nicotine that contributed to his ultimate demise.

Frank Zappa on drugs, Frank Zappa on Iran Contra, Frank Zappa on Beer, Frank Zappa on John & Yoko You Tube videos are hilarious!



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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Sep 28, 2012 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa was my first "underground" indoctrination when I was about 13..Hard to imagine back then a 13 y/o listening to him. Sure wasn't on the radio..anyway I read an interview with him and he was questioned as to what bands he listened to and found of interest. He mentioned two English bands..a band called Traffic and a band called Jethro Tull and two U.S Bands, Spirit and the Grateful Dead. I had never heard of any of these...As soon as I could find them I bought the first albums of all four, and I was on my way.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

I always thought that, as much drawn to the GD as I am, Zappa was an influence from the other side . His skepticism about drugs, and the more outlandish claims of the "scene" served me well . You could be really weird without drugs .
His music pushed me to investigate 20th century Classical music , and I then got the rest . I like to say, I got into Classical music thorough the bathroom window .
As for jazz, the Dead got me into Coltrane,and Miles ; Zappa got me into Mingus , & Eric Dolphy . His humor , and love/hate of the cheesier aspects of pop culture resonate with me still . I owe a lot to this guy .
But he was one unhappy, cynical bastard . As one friend of mine who met him near the end of his life , "he was one broken hearted oldman " . As he got older he got worse and worse . And his music became less interesting, and inspired . His humor went form social commentary, to mean spirited , or locker room ( and UNFUNNY locker room humor ). There are few people in Rock music that knew as much about music as he did ( Phil Lesh ), and his best stuff is truly brilliant . But, it pains me to say this, he was not as smart as he though he was . For one thing, outside of music , he was rather ignorant . He was not a well read guy .
The Dead have always been a good counter weight for me, the band, and Jerry in particular, radiated warmth( need I tell you folks ) and soulfulness, that is not, or rarely ( "Ruben and The Jets") there with Zappa's music . And Jerry was, when not in the depths of the drugs, a intellgent, reading, inquisitive guy . He was still learning the day he died . Frank already "knew it all" ...
I recommend this bio by Barry Miles .http://books.google.com/books/about/Zappa.html?id=2pPgG9AXjN4C
It is insightful, and not worshipful, yet still gets at what was great about this man and his music .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 28, 2012 11:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

Zappa has to be pretty much A Guy Thing. Something about him always turned me off. Reading the lyrics posted, I have to think it must be that kinda stuff. I'm sure he's brilliant, but yucky brilliant.

Maybe he's like the Three Stooges. My experience is that women just don't laugh when guys hit each other on the head and twang each others' noises. Maybe I'm wrong and Zappa always had a huge number of women fans, but to me it just seems like he was The Thinking Adolescent's Three Stooges-and-Esoterica Sandwich.

A lot of pages from that bio are loaded on the google books links; interesting to skim a bit. Of course I looked for the Valley Girl part. (I liked THAT one!) It turns out he refused to let his kids go to college. Or at least wouldn't pay and discouraged them and so on. Such a dad. Gag me with a spoon.

Well, I'm sure he was a musical genius, just not my cup of yellow snow.




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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 29, 2012 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

That is an interesting point, and true in my experience . Mostly, "chicks" don't like Zappa . Even aside the "Yellow Snow", "Titties and Beer" stuff , and his crusty persona , his musical invention tends not to be the sort of thing that most women get into . In my 24 years selling Classical music, I sold very little Stravinsky, or Varese to female costumers .
Now sidestepping the "why do women in general like this sort of music and not this other music " debate, I might mention a few albums of his that might not be too offensive, or at least more femme-friendly ...
Burnt Weenie Sandwich - Except for the opening and closing songs , that are sort of doo-whop things , this is an instrumental album , with mostly agreeable melodies, and some jazz solos .
Waka/Jawaka, and/or The Grand Wazoo - Zappa's big band albums . A few vocal songs .
And for albums with vocals
We're Only In It For The Money - Really crazy, his response to the "Sgt. Pepper" era . Mostly social commentary. Some pretty weird stuff, but nothing that would scare a Deadhead Also you get to hear Eric Clapton say "It's GOD , It's GOD, I SEE GOD !".
One Size Fits All - Mostly a fun album . Nothing too offensive here, unless you love the city of San Bernardino . Has the great fusion treat "Inca Roads", and his stab at mock Wagnaria "Sofa".
Just some ideas .

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Sep 29, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a Guy Thing

I think you are being charitable here Althea. I would say it's more of an inexperienced, adolescent boy thing.

I find him really quite irritating on the whole, in an immature sort of 'Hey look at me. I'm really weird' kind of way.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2012 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

Lou Reed's Speech

It's very rare in life to know someone who affects things; changes them in a positive way. I've been lucky enough to have known some in my life: Andy Warhol, Doc Hommis [?]. People whose vision and integrity was such that it moved the world a bit. People who, through the articulation of their talents and intelligence, were able to leave things better than they had found them. People who were not only not in it for the money, to paraphrase Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa was such a person and of the many regrets I have in life, not knowing him a lot better is one of them.
Whether writing symphonies, satirical broadsides or casting a caustic glow across the frontier of madness that makes up the American political landscape; whether testifying before Congress to put the PMRC in its rightful lowly place, or acting as a cultural conduit for President Vaclav Havel and the Czech government, Frank was a force for reason and honesty in the business deficient in those areas. As we reward some with money for the amusement they supply to the cultural masses, I think the induction of Frank Zappa in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame distinguishes the Hall as well as the inductee. [applause]
Musicians usually cannot speak. That's why they communicate through their instruments. But Frank was one who could. And because music is pure, the musician is pure as well and when Frank spoke he demonstrated the power of purity. Who will do that now? I admired Frank greatly and I know he admired me. It gives me great pleasure to give this award to his daughter, Moon Zappa. (2:17 min)
Moon Zappa's Acceptance Speech

This is so nice. Thank you, Lou. I really appreciate that.
I'm a little dyslexic and earlier I freed my ass. I'm hoping my mind will follow. [sigh, sniff] [Applause] Um, thank you and, uhh, I know you know I had said that this is the year of the end of the bullshit promises and I am really sorry that my father missed that. And, um, uhh, I've almost, almost, forgiven the Wait Staff here because my heart is open from watching all of this. [gestures towards the screen on which Zappa montage had been shown] and it's very odd to be back there [backstage] before you come up because you actually hear the command given but I just want to say that this really belongs to his, his fans and um, music really is a language and I think that some languages are easy to understand than others. I don't think it's any accident that the Slavic countries really appreciated my father the most because it's really hard to get the accents down and everything. And, um, I just really want to say thank you and I think that he would really have enjoyed this. Thank you. (1:44 min)
Speeches transcribed by John Scialli Text Editing & HTML by Andy Murkin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp6LT2MdaPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vYW0ECES5g&;feature=related

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 23, 2013 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

I am going to assume that should read Doc Pomus ,who was a songwriter and friend of Lou's.He wrote Youngblood,Save the Last Dance for Me,This Magic Moment,Lonely Avenue and many more.

Here are some good Frank lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvVZpJgJb0

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2012 11:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

One of my faves!

http://archive.org/post/87061/apropos-of-nothing

http://archive.org/post/285882/haiti

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 30, 2012 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa must be a PERCEPTION Thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9EfRZXglg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITzON0o7aUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAUAwKTNuz0&;feature=related

Let the words be yours...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 27, 2012 10:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

your memory is fucked

http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/frank-zappa-1971-05-21-chicago-142248.html

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 28, 2012 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Your research is flawed!

As you are aware the short term memory begins to decline upon crossing the fifty yard line, but the bootleg CD that you’re referencing is only 60 minutes of the evenings performance from the Auditorium Theatre May 21st, 1971. Trust me, when touring bands showed up on stage at the magnificent Auditorium Theatre in the early 70s and viewed that beautiful room they played their hearts out. Every show that i.we saw at the Auditorium Theatre in the 70s were killer shows and lengthy performances.

Here’s another partial setlist that adds two additional songs, She Painted Up Her Face and Half A Dozen Provocative Squats.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/frank-zappa/1971/auditorium-theatre-chicago-il-1bd01964.html


A typical set list from a Zappa/Mothers show in May 1971 looks something like the following;

05/18/71 (Tue) Pomona College - Claremont, CA
Set 1: Peaches En Regalia, Tears Began To Fall, She Painted Up Her Face, Half A Dozen Provocative Squats, Shove It Right In, Billy The Mountain, Louie Louie, Status Back Baby, Concentration Moon (incl Sanzini Bros), Mom & Dad, Daddy Daddy Daddy, Twenty Small Cigars, Little House I Used To Live In, Mudshark, What Kind Of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Bwana Dik, Latex Solar Beef


05/23/71 (Sun) Ohio Theater - Columbus, OH
Set 1: Peaches En Regalia, Tears Begin To Fall, She Painted Up Her Face, Half A Dozen Provacative Squats, Shove It Right In, Billy The Mountain Inc. Pt. Of Music For Low Budget Orchestra, Little House I Used To Live In, Mud Shark, What Kind Of Girl Do You Think We Are?, Bwana Dik, Latex Solar Beef, Do You Like My New Car?, Happy Together, King Kong

reference Setlist.com

I therefore sentence you to a strict diet of shishke and bosaki.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2012 5:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

nice!!!! what a maroon, darkstarz!!


For faults in the clouds of delusion.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 28, 2012 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

It can't be easy to keep track of all those lies. He does try very hard though. I give him credit for that.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Deniro, why do you constantly contradict yourself? Here’s one of your recent posts.

http://archive.org/post/434430/never-saw-this-live-or-on-video

“How come almost every one of your posts is something negative? Don't you have anything positive to contribute?”

I swear to god sometimes you completely resemble the village idiot, one post your pleasant and charming the next post BAMM! In the future please try to be more linear.

http://archive.org/post/349219/zappa-and-the-dead

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 29, 2012 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

I find it pretty funny that you of all people, would accuse someone of being contradictory and nonlinear. I don't think I constantly contradict myself. That sjanderson82 fellow is virtually always saying something negative. The majority of my posts are not negative in nature. Even the ones in which you think I'm heckling you, are merely posts trying to raise Koch awareness :-)

“I swear to god sometimes you completely resemble the village idiot, one post your pleasant and charming the next post BAMM! In the future please try to be more linear.”

That's how I am in real life. You want me to try to change just for you?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 29, 2012 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Dude, you are playing his game. Try not to get sucked in.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 29, 2012 2:34pm
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Sometimes I enjoy playing games.

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Poster: ducats Date: Sep 29, 2012 6:35am
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blow me

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Poster: Nomed70 Date: Jun 11, 2015 4:44pm
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OK, nothing to see here.

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Poster: ducats Date: Sep 29, 2012 7:47am
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i can't help it. these clowns posting.....

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Sep 29, 2012 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Step aside for he is just... A MAGGOT BRAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9MgoRIXEqc

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 28, 2012 2:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

your science is fucked too. Frank Zappa died of prostate cancer. He succumbed to being a male.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 28, 2012 7:49pm
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My science is fucked?

Never said lung cancer, no one really knows the cause of Zappas cancer but nicotine abuse has been linked to advancing Prostatitis and can worsen the condition and certainly contributed to the decline of his health.

You took my point out of context.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 29, 2012 2:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

All men get prostate cancer. If you live long enough you either die from it or die with it. Even if his smoking contributed to his poor health, it is a stretch to say that he succumbed to his nicotine addiction because of his death due to prostate cancer. Based on that logic, anyone who smokes and dies of a natural cause succumbed to their addiction.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Sep 29, 2012 5:48am
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hmmm...sounds like a good reason to have it removed, even when it's cancer free... Maybe thats the cause of a lot of other cancers men get, it spreads from the prostate. Never thought I'd discuss this here!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 29, 2012 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

No i think the opposite is true. Removal of the prostate has side effects that including impotence, incontinence and death (complications of surgery). This has been at the heart of a big controversy in the medical field; does screening for prostate cancer actually save lives or does it do harm? The studies seem to suggest that it does harm as we end up treating earlier than we know if what is found is life threatening. Thus many men have had the quality of their lives altered and it is not clear how many of them would have actually died of prostate cancer. There are also questions as to whether early detection actually prolongs life. Many of the studies used overall survival from point of detection as the measure. The problem is that if you screen earlier than you are counting the survival time from an earlier point. i.e. if with early detection a man at 55 lives 15 years, is that really different if he was not screened and his cancer was detected by conventional means at 60 and he lives 10 years? Add on that the person was subjected to poisons and/or irradiation for an extra 5 years and might be impotent or wearing diapers then you really have to question the value. Moreover the complications with surgery are not trivial. A small percentage of men die due to the surgery. Similar issues are coming up with breast cancer. If you are a high risk individual due to family history, then you should be screened but it is not completely clear how valuable this is to the average woman.

Here is a press release after the publication of a 10 year study earlier this year.

http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/health-of-the-public/20120522psascreenrec.html

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Sep 30, 2012 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

impotence? which means i can't get my Jolly Roger up?? arrrrrggghhhh!

At 65, not being able to reproduce means ziltch to me, I've never had the desire to pollute the gene pool,

just the forum - lol. Speaking of that, whats with the new change of heart for the new and improved guy? New med's or he found "The Lord"?? The hacking of my email says otherwise, since my Lost Sailors Pub & email password WAS the same...(I consider DS and Pub man one and the same person)

Well, I learned what BCC & CC meant :P

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 30, 2012 12:09pm
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How'd I miss this? As a rare example of "early detection worked", I'd like to make clear that I, like Frank, would've died in 2-4 yrs post detection if not for removal. Many was the exceptional, aggressive, about to invade the bladder form, that until removed only looked half that bad (and at 48 yrs, it was WAY early). Frank died v quickly because he did NOTHING about it, and clearly should have.

The bottom line of all these studies, and trust I've read them all, is that addt'l info is never bad, BUT what you do with it should NOT be by a simplistic set of rules (always case by case).

Most guys can live with it for extended periods, and there are FAR too many removals/various treatments that are unnecessary and/or premature, BUT for the small number of folks like myself that are clearly "saved", it would be shame to throw the test out with the knee jerk treatment response (not that you were saying that).

Get yours checked, and simply keep track; rapid doubling of PSA, and off you go to a GOOD urologist, and take it SLOW.

BTW, the best predictor of "performance" post removal is presurgery performance....whewww. Just watch out for "robotic" approaches.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 30, 2012 12:25pm
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I was waiting for you to show up!

Sounds like yours wasn't really early detection as much as catching something already there in the screen. i.e you had something that had to be treated. I think the issue is not folks like you, it is the ones that are true early detection and it is not clear that they need to be treated.

Yes I agree that the primary problem is with what is done with the data not the data itself. I also think what is done with the data is often driven by the wrong motivation $$$

I think the answer is that we need better prognostic tools to know how best to move forward from an early detection screen. I think the studies are basically telling us that PSA is too blunt an instrument for this.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 30, 2012 2:07pm
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Au contraire slack bladder--ie, "me": amazing, but true, I was monitoring VERY closely cause old man had it...all through my 30s and 40s, and then in ONE yr my PSA went from 2 to 4 after being 2 for 15 yrs, each and every yr. Bam, six months later I am recovering after doing all possible tests but then having it out and finding it was much bigger than it "shud" have been, etc. etc.

Thus, I think PSA is good cause it's v cheap, ya know? Then you can do many more things depending on other info.

And, though you are right to say "yours wasn't 'early' in typical sense" it was as fast as it could have been, and mine just happened to suddenly start growing v rapidly (that's something guys like you are/shud be studying, eh? variation like mine and Frank's--assuming he had an aggr form, blah, blah, balh).

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 30, 2012 8:20pm
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Ahh, see you should have been screened because you had a family history. Those are the people who clearly benefit, especially in breast cancer. I think the recommendations about screening are based on the general population not high risk people.

I think you made a pretty convincing argument for why PSA is problematic. Most are concerned about the false positives resulting in un-needed anxiety and care. Sounds like you had something closer to a false negative. That's even scarier.

PSA is cheap on an individual test level however it is not cheap if it results in un-needed treatment in a large population.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 1, 2012 6:59am
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yes, I understand the cost biz, and we are probably just discussing the finer variations of "both sides" of the issue...mislead you a bit though, as the "old man had it" only in the sense that when he died of other causes, his had been enlarged enough (no biopsy) that he assumed he had it, etc., etc., but being 78, was probably just "normal"...however, that was 20 yrs ago, so I assumed "family history" and yet, probably just "normal" family history?

my pt was I personally monitored since I was/am paranoid...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 1, 2012 7:38am
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like i said earlier, if a man lives long enough he will either die of prostate cancer or die with it.

Well I, for one, am glad you were paranoid!. Of course we always suspected such behavior after the time the lights went out here and you were running around with your shirt off, covered in body paint, using a tie as a headband while carrying a torch and screaming something about finding the discs that 6-14-68 were stored on before they fall into the hands of latter era fans.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 1, 2012 1:07pm
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Ha! Those were the days...

I guess my perspective on the test cost biz is that given almost EVERY 40 yr old male does all the other blood work (cholest, etc) these days, this is relatively cheap "add on"...thus, the big exp in England with Rob and Co, IMHO, is overblown, in terms of the actual cost comparison given what we already do here...we could eliminate some of those, frankly, as the point is a few cases like mine and Frank are actual "saved lives" (ie, even if it's rare it's very significant) whereas the others (ie, cholesteraol) are just "quality of life/possible heart disease", etc., etc.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2012 5:12am
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didnt he smoke cigs out his ass??

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 7:58am
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He also had a horrible diet ! Lots of hotdogs and canned chili .

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 7:58am
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He also had a horrible diet ! Lots of hotdogs and canned chili .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:40am
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and orange juice in a glass about this size of his thumb and those lovely howard johnson's clam strips.

I also heard he was fond of muffins...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 28, 2012 12:01pm
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Don't get me started on HoJo's clam strips.


Ahh, to be young and driving north on 128 to the Portland CC. Fond memories. Might as well throw in a Fribble while you're at it.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Sep 28, 2012 9:09am
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he thought he was man, but as it turns out, he was a muffin

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 11:06am
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Ha ! I was listening to "Bongo Fury" last Sunday .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 28, 2012 1:04pm
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I've posted about this before, but when Zappa died Vaclav Havel had the flag over the Prague Castle lowered to half mast and made a statement about how he would listen that evening to his copy of "Bongo Fury" that Zappa gave him.
http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/V%C3%A1clav_Havel

On a side note, our gallery is trying to sell a Don Van Vliet painting for a private party.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 28, 2012 4:26pm
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One of the great things, of course, about "Bongo Fury", is Beefheart's vocals and the 2 poems/songs he does . I met him at a record signing for "Shiny Beast", but I got him to autograph my copy of "Trout MasK' instead . He saw it, and his face lit up, "THIS is my favorite" .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2012 3:28pm
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That is very, very cool. Keep that protected.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2012 9:12am
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Canned chili is bad?

Wait.......what?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 28, 2012 5:16am
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that might have caused colon cancer, for prostate cancer it would have had to been a different opening and one that i am not sure would have been real comfortable to shove cigarettes in to...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 28, 2012 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Not so sure. If you were a chain smoker in the hospital following some complex oral surgery, you might be tempted to shove a Camel Unfiltered into your catheter just to see what happens.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Sep 28, 2012 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

I clearly recall the triple-x-rated porn district in downtown NYC. This crap was all around Times Square while I was a punk-kid from NJ. It was a.k.a. "Burlesque" porn. All the kids from my area knew that at any given Burlesque show in Times Square you would see a stripper "smoking" a lit unfiltered Camel in her vagina, and blowing smoke rings back out of it. Frank would have witnessed this. We all saw it. Ask Jeff or BVD.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2012 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

Somehow, you have just pushed the concept of second-hand smoke into a horrifying new realm.........

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 28, 2012 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

I stand corrected.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Frank Zappa

It was the blackest night
There was no moon in sight
You know the stars aint shinin
Cause the skys too tight
I heard the scarey wind
I seen some ugly trees
There was a werewolf honkin
Long the side of me

Im mean n Im bad, yknow I aint no sissy
Got a big-titty girly by the name of chrissy
Talkin about her n my bike n me...
N this ride up the mountain of mystery, mystery

I noticed even the crickets
Was actin weird up here
And so I figured I might
Just drink a little beer
I said, gimme summa that what yer suckin on...
But there was no reply
Cause she was gone...

Wheres those titties that I like so well
N my goddamn beer!
Is what I started to yell, then I heard this noise
Like a crunchin twig, n up jumped the devil...hes about this big...

He had a red suit on
An a widows peak
An then a pointed tail
N like a sulphur reek
Yes, it was him awright
I sweared I knowed it was
He had some human flesh
Stuck underneath his claws
You know it looked to me
Like it was titty skin
I said, you sonofabitch!
Cause I was mad at him,
Well he just got out his floss
N started cleanin his fang
So I shot him with my shooter
Said: bang bang bang

Then the sucker just laughed n said, put it away...
You know, I ate her all up...now what you
Gonna say?
You ate my chrissy? titties n all!
Well, what about the beer then, boy? were the cans
This tall?
Even her boots? would I lie to you?
Shit, you musta been hungry! yes, this is true.
Well don't they pay you good for the
Stuff that you do?
Well, you know, I can't complain when the checks come through...

Well I want my chrissy, n I want my beer
So you just barf it back up now, devil,
Do you hear?

Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! I mean, I am the devil,
Do you understand? just what will you give me
For your
Titties and beer? I suppose you noticed this little
Contract here... yer goddam right, you son-of-a-whore,
Don't call me that
That's about the only reason
...gimme that paper...bet yer ass I'll sign...
Cause I need a beer, n it's titty-squeezin time

Man, you can't fool me...you aint that bad...
I mean you shoulda seen some of the souls I had...
Why there was milhous nixon n agnew, too...
N both of those suckers was worse n you...

Well, lets make a deal if you think that's true
I mean, you're the devil, so whatcha gonna do?

(improvised dialog)
Wait a minute...a tinge of doubt crosses my mind...when you say...
That you want to make a deal with me...

That's very, very true
Im only interested in two things
Yeah?
See if you can guess what they are

I would think...uh...lets see, maybe stravinsky...

Ill give you two clues. let go of your pickle

What?

Let go of your pickle!

Im not holding my pickle

Well, whos holding your pickle then?

I don't know...shes out in the audience...
Hey dale, would you like to come up here and hold
My pickle to satisfy this weird man out on the stage?

Im only interested in two things, and that's
Titties and beer
You know what I mean?
What?
Titties and beer
Titties and beer
Titties and beer
Titties and beer
Titties and beer
Titties and beer
Titties and beer!
Titties and beer!
I don't know if you're the right guy?
Titties and beer!
Titties and beer!

No! don't sign it! give me time to think...
I mean hold on a second boy, cause that's magic ink!

And then the devil let go of his pickle
And out come my girl, there was her titties
Flop-floppin...all around the world

She said I got me three beers and a fistful of downs
And Im gonna get ripped, so fuck, you clowns!
Then she gave us the finger, it was rigid and stiff
That's when the devil, he farted
And she went right over the cliff!
The devil was mad, I took off to my pad
I swear I do declare, how did she get back there?
I swear I do declare, how did she get back there?
I swear I do declare, how did she get back there?
I swear I do declare, how did she get back there?
I swear I do declare, how did she get back there?